World is a Stage - 3
Student: Wow.. But Modern day science differ in their view point?
Teacher: Who said? modern day science also accepts the concept of Satkaaryavaada. Meaning, there must be something to create something, something cannot be created from nothing.Therefore that something from which this universe is created is called Brahmam. But, they are using Pratyaksha Pramaana and anumaana pramaana to understand Brahmam.
Student:But you said Pratyaksha Pramaana and anumaana pramaana will lead to a wrong conclusion?
Teacher: Yes. Modern day science tries to establish this using lot of theories and concepts. String Theory, God's particle called Higgs Boson etc. But my argument is this. These are wonderful concepts..But they cant explain the root cause of the creation. It will lead to endless analysis
Student: Why?
Teacher: Simple concept, How can u measure an immeasurable attribute using measurable attribute? Your eyes, mind and all senses of organs are limited attributes. They can see or hear or feel only few things? But Brahmam is limitless and has limitless qualities. How can you define unlimited quality of Brahmam using limited quality of our sensory organs.
Student: Is that been said in our Sastras?
Teacher: Of course yes..One simple example i can give u is in Bhagavad Gita. When Arjuna wanted to know the true form of krishna, what did Krishna say? He said "You cannot see this with these indriyam". You need a Jnana or gifted eyes to see my original form.
Student: Ok.. But it is very difficult for layman to understand Brahmam and meditate on him? How do a layman who has no knowledge on Sastras would understand Brahmam?
Teacher: A good question..The form that i mentioned here is the Para Form of Brahmam. There are different forms in which Brahmam exists.. It is very difficult for a layman to meditate upon the Para form of Brahmam.. It is very difficult to potray Brahmam as a soul and all chit and achit as its Body.
Student: But is there a way?
Teacher: This Para form is one form of Brahmam. But there are also other forms of Brahmam.They are --> Vyuha --> Vibhava --> Antaryami --> Archa
Student: What are all these? i am confused.
Teacher: Let me complete, The same Brahmam took a form of 4 Vyuha Moorties. They are Vyuha Vaasudeva,Sankarshana,Pradyumna and Aniruddha.These 4 Vyuha moorties are personification of six important qualities of Brahmam among infinte qualities. Each of them represent valor,dayaa, Gnana etc. Vyuha Vaasudeva is the one who resides in Thirupaarkadal and is the destination where Mukta atmas and Prapanna aims for. People can easily imagine these forms while they are meditating.
Student: So Brahmam is of 4 types now?
Teacher: Nope.. You are wrong. They are one and the same.. He exhibits different to different people depending on the level of Jnana.. After all he should be reachable by all right.It is a form to meditate upon and is a representation of Brahmam in different form thats it.
Student: Please tell me about Vibhava form of Brahmam?
Teacher: Vibhavas are commonly known as Avataras or incarnation of Brahmam,namely Krishna, Raama etc. These are classified into two types. We will deal with this in a while. People who wants to understand how to lead life can follow these vibhava moorthies because Brahmam leads all of us by example. He descended down as Raama to teach us how to live peacefully and truthfully. He came down as Krishna and taught us way to reach him. The next is Archa. People now a days have lot of distractions and is not able to meditate on Para form or Vyuha form. They listen to stories of Vibhava form. We need some sort of model to focus on Brahmam. Therefore, Brahmam descended down in Archa form. People nowadays are against idol worship..If they are able to visualize Brahmam in Para or Vyuha form then thats great. But remember there are also people who need a model to focus on.. For them, Bhagavan descended down as Archa avatara.
Student: Sastras talk about Varnaashrma dharmam? Do we really oppress the fourth class?
Teacher: Nope. Oppression of fourth class is done by people who do not have understood Vedas or Upanishads. Vedas and Upanishads have always backed for non-biased approach in castes. It says do the duties prescribed to your ashrama, thats enough, you will attain the end result. Alwars and Acharyas were the best example. Not everyone was Brahmin, there were Sudras, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas. They reached god through Bhakti but not due to their Varnams. Yes,there were few culprits who were under the impression that Vedas and Upanishads support casteism. But no.. Every one is the creation of God and God is in antaryami form in every one. They are just classified according to the duties being performed.. Thats it..
Teacher: Who said? modern day science also accepts the concept of Satkaaryavaada. Meaning, there must be something to create something, something cannot be created from nothing.Therefore that something from which this universe is created is called Brahmam. But, they are using Pratyaksha Pramaana and anumaana pramaana to understand Brahmam.
Student:But you said Pratyaksha Pramaana and anumaana pramaana will lead to a wrong conclusion?
Teacher: Yes. Modern day science tries to establish this using lot of theories and concepts. String Theory, God's particle called Higgs Boson etc. But my argument is this. These are wonderful concepts..But they cant explain the root cause of the creation. It will lead to endless analysis
Student: Why?
Teacher: Simple concept, How can u measure an immeasurable attribute using measurable attribute? Your eyes, mind and all senses of organs are limited attributes. They can see or hear or feel only few things? But Brahmam is limitless and has limitless qualities. How can you define unlimited quality of Brahmam using limited quality of our sensory organs.
Student: Is that been said in our Sastras?
Teacher: Of course yes..One simple example i can give u is in Bhagavad Gita. When Arjuna wanted to know the true form of krishna, what did Krishna say? He said "You cannot see this with these indriyam". You need a Jnana or gifted eyes to see my original form.
Student: Ok.. But it is very difficult for layman to understand Brahmam and meditate on him? How do a layman who has no knowledge on Sastras would understand Brahmam?
Teacher: A good question..The form that i mentioned here is the Para Form of Brahmam. There are different forms in which Brahmam exists.. It is very difficult for a layman to meditate upon the Para form of Brahmam.. It is very difficult to potray Brahmam as a soul and all chit and achit as its Body.
Student: But is there a way?
Teacher: This Para form is one form of Brahmam. But there are also other forms of Brahmam.They are --> Vyuha --> Vibhava --> Antaryami --> Archa
Student: What are all these? i am confused.
Teacher: Let me complete, The same Brahmam took a form of 4 Vyuha Moorties. They are Vyuha Vaasudeva,Sankarshana,Pradyumna and Aniruddha.These 4 Vyuha moorties are personification of six important qualities of Brahmam among infinte qualities. Each of them represent valor,dayaa, Gnana etc. Vyuha Vaasudeva is the one who resides in Thirupaarkadal and is the destination where Mukta atmas and Prapanna aims for. People can easily imagine these forms while they are meditating.
Student: So Brahmam is of 4 types now?
Teacher: Nope.. You are wrong. They are one and the same.. He exhibits different to different people depending on the level of Jnana.. After all he should be reachable by all right.It is a form to meditate upon and is a representation of Brahmam in different form thats it.
Student: Please tell me about Vibhava form of Brahmam?
Teacher: Vibhavas are commonly known as Avataras or incarnation of Brahmam,namely Krishna, Raama etc. These are classified into two types. We will deal with this in a while. People who wants to understand how to lead life can follow these vibhava moorthies because Brahmam leads all of us by example. He descended down as Raama to teach us how to live peacefully and truthfully. He came down as Krishna and taught us way to reach him. The next is Archa. People now a days have lot of distractions and is not able to meditate on Para form or Vyuha form. They listen to stories of Vibhava form. We need some sort of model to focus on Brahmam. Therefore, Brahmam descended down in Archa form. People nowadays are against idol worship..If they are able to visualize Brahmam in Para or Vyuha form then thats great. But remember there are also people who need a model to focus on.. For them, Bhagavan descended down as Archa avatara.
Student: Sastras talk about Varnaashrma dharmam? Do we really oppress the fourth class?
Teacher: Nope. Oppression of fourth class is done by people who do not have understood Vedas or Upanishads. Vedas and Upanishads have always backed for non-biased approach in castes. It says do the duties prescribed to your ashrama, thats enough, you will attain the end result. Alwars and Acharyas were the best example. Not everyone was Brahmin, there were Sudras, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas. They reached god through Bhakti but not due to their Varnams. Yes,there were few culprits who were under the impression that Vedas and Upanishads support casteism. But no.. Every one is the creation of God and God is in antaryami form in every one. They are just classified according to the duties being performed.. Thats it..
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